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What converted you to stop eating seed oils?🙋‍♂️ 🙋‍♀️ Questions (self.StopEatingSeedOils)

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What was the straw that broke the camel's back? What evangelized you to the cause?

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[–]thelifeofafangirl 42 points43 points44 points 26 days ago (7 children)

I used to have IBS and chronic inflammation. now i don't. once you've experienced healing firsthand, you can't go back lol

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (4 children)

Glad to hear. What were the main foods you removed from your diet when avoiding seed oils?

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[–]thelifeofafangirl 7 points8 points9 points 26 days ago (3 children)

We make almost everything from scratch at home. So basically everything ultra processed besides bread but the bread we buy is 4 ingredients so I don't think it falls under the ultra processed umbrella

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (2 children)

That's awesome, I've been trying to eat as many whole foods as possible.

Do you think it's possible there's some conflation of the removal of ultra processed foods and seed oils? Removing the ultra processed foods would have enormous health benefits

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[–]thelifeofafangirl 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (1 child)

I make a lot of the processed foods I used to buy at home and I don't have issues. Most of the ultra processed ingredients i used to eat were seed oils inside otherwise normally processed foods. I do eat almost exclusively organic and I wash my produce well which i'm sure has also contributed however when I eat like salt free fench fries or something on a road trip, i can feel/see the inflammation the next day. for example my rings won't fit

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[–]Slow-Juggernaut-4134🍤Seed Oil Avoider 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago* (0 children)

Yes, everything from scratch. I purchased 25 lb sacks of grain. I make bread, cookies, pies, biscuits you name it. Part of milling the grains per tradition are tempered (germinated). From there the grain goes in to the flour mill setup or the grain flaker. All the grains are milled fresh as needed. I use power equipment so it's easy peasy.

I make this beautiful high extraction white pastry flour. It's loaded with B vitamins and vitamin E. It's perfect for apple pie, biscuits and any baking needs you have including cake.

I also make a high gluten hard red winter wheat flour for bread.

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[–]AromaticCaregiver247 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (1 child)

How did you use to have it? My mother and I suffer from it and I’m curious how you healed from it. TIA! ❤️

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[–]thelifeofafangirl 6 points7 points8 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Eat organic

Buy ingredients, not pre-made foods. Learn to make the processed foods you buy

Cook with avocado, olive, butter and tallow

Eat as many whole foods as possible. For example, a homemade cookie is much better than a store bought one, but a fresh organic date is better than a homemade cookie

Your results may vary. For example you may be eating something youre allergic to. this is just what worked for me.

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[–]inventingme 30 points31 points32 points 26 days ago (3 children)

My diabetic husband had been eating keto for a while. His blood sugar was very stable at around 115ish, but every now and then he would get a crazy high number like 195. We figured out it tended to be the morning after a restaurant meal, fully keto compliant, like steak and broccoli. He then found a YouTube video about seed oils, and suspected that was the reason. But we didn't change right away.

Later, I was in a store and saw something cooked in cottonseed oil. What? I grew up in cotton country, and I know for a fact nothing about cotton is food. In fact, it was used to lubricate machinery.

Then someone posted the first 2 pages to a book about seed oils, when they started to be used, and how the rise of various diseases correspond exactly to the rise of seed oils. We were now certain they were the reason for the blood sugar spikes.

At this point, I was in my late 50s, and he in his late 60s. We stopped eating out, and I used only olive oil, butter, and animal fats. His blood sugar stayed stable, and both of us had a reduction in body pain. I thought I just had arthritis, but my pain level went from a 5 or so to a 1. I was so excited.

Now, I meticulously read every label, and seed oils are in so many things you'd never expect. My latest surprise was bread crumbs. We order avocado oil mayonnaise. I make a lot of things from scratch. We avoid High Fructose Corn Syrup meticulously. It has a huge effect on blood sugar. That means we eat at home, and I even make things like steak sauces. We are in a lot better shape than many people our age, and I credit seed oils as part of the reason.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (2 children)

Does HFCS affect your husband more than sugar?

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[–]inventingme 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (0 children)

We both find HFCS to be hugely impactful on blood sugar levels, much moreso than sugar. Just the amount there is in ketchup can screw him up. Ketchup is his favorite condiment, so I look for the organic or "simply" version that has regular sugar.

My family was all HYPOglycemic, low blood sugar. I hadn't had any trouble with it since I was in my 20s, working big hours and not eating real food. I hadn't had a Coke in probably 20 years at least, and I decided to give one a try. Virtually all sodas have HFCS. It seemed super sweet but delicious. About 1.5 to 2 hours later, I had a sugar low like I hadn't had in almost 40 years. I was shaky, sweating, hot, yet somehow also freezing. I got some protein, had a nap, and recovered. I reminded myself why I don't drink sodas anymore. I'm a person who has to put my hand on the stove again, to be sure it's still hot.

I usually eat well and prefer good food, but if I have HFCS, I want ALL the sweet junk, all with HFCS. It self perpetuates, making you crave it, eat it, crave it, eat it. One gets hungry fast, too. Once that glucose spikes, it falls like a rock, and your body says, loud and clear, "If you don't get another cupcake from the break room, we're all going to die!"

Sticking to any diet or eating plan is much easier without HFCS bossing you around. If blood sugar stability is your goal, it's got to go.

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[–]CriscoWithLime 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Butting in...definitely yes for me. Took decades to figure out my problems was from fructose malabsorption. I just avoid it all now and am borderline carnivore

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[–]BreakingBadBitchhh 18 points19 points20 points 26 days ago (4 children)

It’s literally such simple intuition that the minute I heard about it I immediately decided it was going on my avoid list. I would never eat a billion seeds to equal the amount of fats in the seed oil therefor it is clearly unnatural part of the human diet. It’s highly processed, chemically extracted which is good enough reason to not have it. Like I genuinely don’t get how other people can’t accept this.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] -1 points0 points1 point 25 days ago (3 children)

Yeah that's a good point. That's why I don't drink coffee, I would never normally consume that many coffee beans

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[–]GlickityGlock 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (2 children)

Extremely illogical counter point. Honestly, you probably should avoid Coffee and any other kind of stimulant that puts unnecessary stress on your heart. Not to mention the storage of most coffee beans we drink leads to ochratoxin A and aflatoxin B1 which are carinogenic.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (1 child)

Holy shit what else do I have to watch out for

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[–]GlickityGlock 1 point2 points3 points 19 days ago (0 children)

Control what you can and are comfortable with and you'll be doing better than 95% of the population. Personally, I avoid seed oils, processed sugars, enriched grains, and commercially farmed meats (I live near a ton of Amish organic farms so it's easy). I still drink coffee regardless of toxins and have the occasional toke of a bowl. You'll die even faster than the unaware people stressing about avoiding bad things 24/7

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[–]blue_island1993 15 points16 points17 points 26 days ago (8 children)

The fact that the basic chemistry is just out there to read was a big one, without any of the pejorative nonsense, politics, or loaded language. You can literally look up “lipid peroxidation” on Wikipedia and it explicitly lays out how polyunsaturated fats are the culprit, and that lipid peroxidation is behind the most common chronic diseases. No mention of seed oils, so you have to put two and two together. But the actual chemistry isn’t even controversial, like yeah we already knew polyunsaturated fats can do this. So why are dietitians shilling for seed oils, which are remarkably high in them? Maybe you’re skeptical of a diet high in saturated fat too, but anyone who is intellectually honest should be able to see limiting excess polyunsaturated is probably a good idea.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (7 children)

What should I do if I'm skeptical of a high level of mono saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat?

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[–]NotMyRealName111111🌾 🥓 Omnivore 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (1 child)

sounds like r/saturatedfat quite honestly.
you aren't alone in that skepticism.

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[–]DestroyTheMatrix_3 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Monounsantuarted fat is inflammatory by itself, hence why parts of italy consuming mostly olive oil are more rotund than areas that eat more butter. But when Monounsantuarted fat is matched with an equal amount of saturated fat, then it seems to be fine. It's really just polyunsaturated that's the issue.

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[–]blue_island1993 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (3 children)

Then just eat low fat.

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[–]DestroyTheMatrix_3 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Low fat doesn't really change the fatty acid make up of your cells. The ratio of different lipids is more important.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

What do you think about this wikipedia page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_oil_misinformation

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[–]Reasonable-Land-3439 42 points43 points44 points 26 days ago (8 children)

My answer is deemed anti semetic and would get taken down, but in short legislation the Rothschild family pushed for. Really interesting when you look into it

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[–]Willing_Escape_5089 20 points21 points22 points 26 days ago (1 child)

Goyslop

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[+]Dude_9 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 25 days ago* (0 children)

What do you mean by that?

Edit: Why won't you answer the question?

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[–]awkwardurinalglance 10 points11 points12 points 26 days ago (1 child)

Would also like the legislation name. I don’t like the Rothschild family because they are billionaire bankers, not because they are Jewish.

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[–]Reasonable-Land-3439 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (0 children)

It’s conveniently something billionaire bankers have in common!

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[–]Loonster🧀 Keto 5 points6 points7 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Could you give better clues to the name of the legislation?

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[–]I_Like_Vitamins🍤Seed Oil Avoider 6 points7 points8 points 26 days ago (0 children)

They also campaigned against raw milk.

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[–]Electric-Sun88 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I know which rabbit hole I am falling down tonight!

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[–]DeliciousHornet 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Can you elaborate? I'd really like to read more about this. PM me if you want.

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[–]IllFreedom4310 13 points14 points15 points 26 days ago (0 children)

feeling like shit all the time.  horrible digestion, bad inflammation

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[–]inventingme 10 points11 points12 points 26 days ago (0 children)

We're sailors. One of the mind-blowing side effects is how differently one's skin acts in the sun. We moved a s-l-o-w sailboat for a friend and were on the water in early September from 9 a.m. until about 3 p.m. No sunscreen. No sunburn. Zero on my shoulders, and just the slightest tinge of pink on my nose.

Before, I could sunburn in the beam in of a flashlight. What I thought was sun sensitivity due to my English Irish heritage and pale skin turned out to be a heightened inflammation status that was already stressed and erupted in firey red skin and blisters when presented with another stressor. In my youth, I just tanned, no issue. I wondered why it didn't work the same way at 40 that it did at 10. Because I was shocked full of inflammatory chemicals, that's why.

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[–]carolynmich1 9 points10 points11 points 26 days ago (2 children)

Psoriasis that developed in my mid 20s. I haven’t looked back since.

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[–]DeliciousHornet 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (1 child)

How long did it take your skin to heal?

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[–]carolynmich1 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Psoriasis never heals. It takes consistent lifestyle change (i.e. stress management, diet, exercise). Now I rarely ever have flare ups. When I do its due to stress, not diet related.

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[–]Slow-Juggernaut-4134🍤Seed Oil Avoider 7 points8 points9 points 26 days ago (1 child)

I was dying from heart disease. Pretty much abandoned by the cardiologist who explained how the pain was dying heart tissue and there was no need to go to the ER because there was nothing he could do.

I was racking my brain trying to figure out what it was, I was pretty certain it was the food. And then it struck me, vividly the 1970s seed oil debates came back front and center in my mind. Free radicals, peroxidation, cancer, liver disease. At the time I didn't pay any attention because seed oil was literally in nothing. Sure, there was hydrogenated saturated seed oil which people in the know would avoid. The 1970s seed oil debates had the processed food industry and 100% unanimity opposing the transition to seed oil.

Seed oil in packaged food didn't really become ubiquitous until the mid-90s with the invention of map packaged foods. I literally remember looking at a bag of Lay's potato chips and seeing seed oil for the first time and I actually thought oh, I guess the debate's been settled seed oil safe. It was only through the use of map modified atmospheric packaging (low oxygen) that seed oils became viable in all of the processed foods.

And the thing is you can actually see this event in the CDC diabetes tracking data going back to 1958. There's a huge upward spike starting in around 95. This is the introduction of map packaged junk food which enables pure seed oil in all processed foods.

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Now 4 years later I'm 100% recovered, off all meds, Doctor approved. 66yo

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[–]ztifpatrick 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Curious how the Map packaging and seed oils increased diabetes? I can see how those packaged foods, chips etc are high glycemic and are bad for blood sugar. Did the packaging make crap food more available? But are you saying the seed oils also play a part in diabetes?

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[–]trustmebro5 6 points7 points8 points 26 days ago (7 children)

I started realizing the more seed oils I ate, the more I get these weird allergic/inflammation reactions or stomach issues right after.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (6 children)

In what foods did you consume seed oils? Was it your own cooking?

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[–]trustmebro5 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (5 children)

Chikfila was the big one lol. Second was random foods from grocery store, which typically is the worst in terms of issues. And then there’s food at friends/family where they use seed oils.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (4 children)

Those sounds like ultra processed and deep fried foods. Have you tried cooking at home with canola oil as a test?

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[–]trustmebro5 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (3 children)

Could be but I doubt it's just the ultra processed part. I've had enough bad experiences that I am not going to get close to seed oils lol.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] -1 points0 points1 point 25 days ago (2 children)

Why do you doubt that? Ultra processed foods are completely awful for you, and there is a huge consensus proving that. Meanwhile, the consensus on seed oils is they are largely not problematic

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[–]trustmebro5 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Because the current consensus is wrong.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Apt name

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[–]Spiritual_Long8806 8 points9 points10 points 25 days ago (2 children)

I watched a video about how they are made and how bad they are and thought “good thing I don’t cook with those oils” but then I started looking at the ingredients of the food I buy and saw they were in nearly everything. The sauces, the snacks even the bread!! Why the bread? Rapeseed oil is in absolutely everything. Then I stopped eating almost all ultra processed food. I feel a lot better, my skin is better and I have more energy, I sleep better. Can’t argue with results

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] -1 points0 points1 point 25 days ago* (1 child)

Cutting out ultra processed food sounds awesome. Do you really equate that to not cooking at home with canola oil?

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[–]Spiritual_Long8806 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I don’t use much oils in cooking anyway but when I do it’s extra virgin olive oil, or beef dripping. It just alarmed seeing rapeseed oil and other oils in so many of the things I buy, even things I wouldn’t have expected. Pretty much all ultra processed food uses oil as one of the main ingredients.

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[–]fukijama 5 points6 points7 points 26 days ago (2 children)

This presentation by Dr Eades. I read about it for a year but after watching this specific video two years ago is when I went full cut.

And now every time I give it to someone else I watch it again to further instill the message in myself. So here goes watch #15.

https://youtu.be/pIRurLnQ8oo

Ps, the hardest part is other people. Even grandma.

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[–]calvinmacisaak 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this video. Seems vitally important to watch.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Interesting. I hadn't heard of Dr. Eades before.

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[–]ChocLatee 5 points6 points7 points 26 days ago (0 children)

severe eczema

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[–]Character_Writing_69 5 points6 points7 points 26 days ago (2 children)

I was insulin resistant, and since completely vanquishing seed oils for about 10-12 months and eating a diet high in ruminant meat and fruit, almost all my skin tags and warts disappeared

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (1 child)

Interesting, I didn't know existing skin tags and warts could be impacted by diet

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[–]Character_Writing_69 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Yeah, skin tags and insulin resistance are linked. Pufa coats cells and makes it harder to receive glucose. Going lower fat overall with higher protein and fruit helped a lot.

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[–]VR_Jen 5 points6 points7 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I noticed after eating certain foods, my carpal tunnel would get super angry and I'd wake up multiple times per night feeling like my hand was broken. It hurt so bad I was considering surgery. I asked ChatGPT what the foods had in common (premade cookie dough, frozen burritos, etc.) and what might aggravate my situation. It pointed out the soybean and canola oils they both shared and how they can cause inflammation. I immediately cut out all seed oils and after about 3-4 days, I was finally sleeping through the night. One night I was digging through the freezer looking for a quick dinner, and I grabbed some tater tots and threw them in the air fryer. That night the carpal tunnel pain was back full force and I was sad I hadn't fixed the problem like I thought I had. The following morning, I looked at my My Fitness Pal food diary, and saw the tater tots. Went to the freezer and looked at the ingredients, and right there was canola oil. That's all the motivation I needed and have been seed oil free for 6 months now.

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[–]biggestMug 3 points4 points5 points 26 days ago (7 children)

A couple of things for me

It was a really long transition and I'd still do occasionally eat shitty oils. When I share food with people, I'm not 100% free. Probably 95 to 97%?

The first thing was I saw a bunch of Reddit threads back in like the 20 teens about omega-6s and omega-3s and how certain types of oil are the cause of heart disease. Not the main cause but a big attributing factor about how it causes inflammation and could help cause plaque buildup.

Then later in the late 2010s and early 2020s, more stuff was coming out about how vegetable oil is closer to motor oil and why are we eating something like this when there are so many healthier alternatives that don't cause all of these heart and health issues.

I really wish people would just go back to frying in animal fat, but then, no offense to vegetarians and vegans, they wouldn't get to be able to enjoy the fried foods, which is why I think there is still a large agenda to not convert back to Tallow but that's just my brain doing gymnastics.

That is slowly changing around where I am. I recently found a place that is frying in avocado oil. I need to make sure that it's not a blend, that it's 100% because if it's not and they're just advertising 10% of the oil is avocado then I'm not going to eat there anymore. Anymore but I did blindly eat there twice so far due to that.

But I actively want 100% of my shopping time, if I see:

Canola

Vegetable

Soybean

Sunflower

Palm

Hydrogenated

Etc

I toss it back on the shelf even if I really wanted it. I think the only exception I made was a frozen pizza, but that was just one time and I'll never waver again.

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[–]Character_Writing_69 3 points4 points5 points 26 days ago* (0 children)

Palm isn't really bad for you, just for the environment. Olive and Avocado oil have higher LA%

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[–]NotMyRealName111111🌾 🥓 Omnivore 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (1 child)

toss it back with the ingredients side facing the customer.  if only 1 person can see it and be influenced by it, you're making a dent in someone's sales that aren't keeping your interest at heart.

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[–]biggestMug 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I notice this a lot at Costco. Lots of things are turned around lol I do the same

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (3 children)

Do you target grass feed beef tallow for your animal fat? I've heard the heavy corn/soybean meal most animals get transfers to the animal fat

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[–]biggestMug 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (2 children)

As much as possible, yes, grass fed butter, grass-fed dairy, grass-fed Tallow.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (1 child)

What about extra virgin olive oil?

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[–]biggestMug 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (0 children)

I cook with it A LOT less because of the lower smoke point. Butter is super low smoke point but I'm just careful not to burn it.

If you have some, it's fine IMO, I just like cooking with avocado or butter or tallow

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[–]Willing_Escape_5089 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (0 children)

I’m not that much of a health freak where I fully eliminated them from my diet, I just have reduced them as much as possible. I still enjoy life and eat out and have cheat meals ect. What made me want to attempt this is just the fact that most people are misinformed about nutrition and have really bad diets/lifestyles. Also dialling in my diet just helps with my lifestyle changes of training and staying fit.

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[–]I_Like_Vitamins🍤Seed Oil Avoider 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago* (0 children)

I stopped eating McDonald's, KFC and other stuff like that as a kid because of how it'd make me feel. However, I didn't completely remove seed oils because some of the foods that contained them in lesser amounts were usually tolerable. I was also just too young/indoctrinated to connect the dots because of unnatural saturated fat phobia.

In 2021 when I decided to cut out food additives and the like, seed oils naturally appeared on the radar. The eureka moment was realising what bagged chips, margarine/"butter" spreads, occasional fish n chips, store bought bread and bakery pastries all had in common. My symptoms like dry mouth after eating, looser stools, general gut aggravation and irritability disappeared overnight.

Looking into ancestral eating was very helpful as well. Lots of (raw) dairy, lots of saturated fats and not a drop of seed oil in their diets until about fifty years ago.

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[–]broke4everrr 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (0 children)

GERD. Had to figure out what I could and couldn’t tolerate. Found it much more useful to avoid all seed oils where I could.

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[–]wakoreko 2 points3 points4 points 26 days ago (0 children)

The plastic old gasoline smell but mainly the puffy face and body was gone. People thought I lost weight. When I do eat out, the food goes right through majority undigested, after a rounded belly.

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[–]redbull_coffee 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Full on seed oil sceptic since 2010, when it was still just an afterthought in the paleo diet movement. Strict avoider since 2022. Sunburn free since 23.

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[–]DestroyTheMatrix_3 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Having a brain.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Where did you first learn about seed oils?

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[–]Srchd4 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Going carnivore for depression and anxiety. Now even mayonnaise that I used to eat with tuna fish makes me nauseous. Plus I really don’t get sunburns anymore. I just avoid processed foods

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Most of the biggest carnivore diet advocates could not sustain it long-term. Be careful

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[–]Rare_Application_695 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (1 child)

My sister started talking about it so I looked into it.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

What do you do for work?

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[–]InternetExpertroll 2 points3 points4 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I was on a strict chicken, broccoli, and water diet for 3 weeks and did yard work all day. I didn’t get a sun burn.

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[–]snakevargas🍤Seed Oil Avoider 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (0 children)

Lays potato chips gave me mouth pimples. I eat potatoes all the time no problem. Sus...

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[–]LegoCaltrops 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (0 children)

I saw a thread on the migraine sub a couple of years ago, with a link to a BMJ article. I’ve suffered with chronic disabling migraines since my early 20s (am now mid 40s). I followed the advice which was to eat more omega 3 but especially to eat a lot less omega 6. Migraines reduced by about 20 days per month, my acne has also dramatically improved & my allergies seem to have almost disappeared.

I saw my doctor last month after they flagged that I’ve completely stopped taking preventative prescription medication for the migraines & allergies (I was on some fairly heavy antihistamines, & topamax for the migraines, not nice stuff). I’m down to a single basic inhaler for my asthma now as I’m no longer reacting to every tree/flower/grass pollen, mould spore & speck of dust.

I still get the migraines, usually one or two per month, but they’re a lot more manageable with painkillers & an anti emetic. I’m looking for work again, I lost my job in 2020 due to my health & it’s so nice to feel normal again.

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[–]NoirRenie🍤Seed Oil Avoider 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Cystic acne and gut problems

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[–]Mrs_Heff 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (2 children)

Learning about “Big Pharma”, let me to learn about “Big Food”.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Do you have any reservations about Big Ag? Like bacon and sausage are class 1 carcinogens, yet we never hear about that

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[–]Mrs_Heff 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children)

I do.
Fortunately I live in Ireland, and our agriculture is our main source of income. Our standards are high.

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[–]gallowglass13 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (2 children)

Migraines. After a long stint that required me to consume mostly water and vegetables and no processed things at all, I found almost no migraines which I suffered chronically from as a child. Mom did research and made connection, so I’ve been trying since to cut them out entirely.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (1 child)

What foods have you cut out?

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[–]gallowglass13 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Mostly bread. I occasionally can’t resist an English muffin or crackers here and there. I’m hoping to replace them by making them from scratch at some point but it’s quite an undertaking 😓

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[–]kriirk_🍤Seed Oil Avoider 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Chris Knobbe 2016 talk at AHS.

For all his great talks at AHS, go here: https://www.youtube.com/@AncestryFoundation/search?query=Chris%20Knobbe

And here are his LCDU talks: https://www.youtube.com/@lowcarbdownunder/search?query=chris%20knobbe

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Took this from one of his slides. Wow, I had no idea an order of fries was as bad as 83 cigarettes!

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[–]Adhdetour 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

Deep nutrition by Dr cate shanahan

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[–]loyal872 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (0 children)

Health issues that are yet to be discovered but I almost died 1 year ago and had internal bleeding/vomiting blood, bloody reflux, permanent double vision, crazy brain fog, zero hunger, zero energy, ear ringing and so on...

It's a bit better now but I'm definitely not at 100% unfortunately. Nightshades, seed oils and especially wheat/sorghum sets me off greatly.

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[–]tealappeal 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (0 children)

The evangelized moment for me.. It came from surfing youtube and somehow landing on a video from 'Bobby Parrish'.

Now I cannot recall which video because at this point I've been watching him off and on for awhile. Anyway, what struck me the most was he was in a store recording his content in the isle and had on a printed shirt that said "Happy to Sashimi". I was curious, so kept watching.

He informed the viewers that seed oils are bad then listed..  "such as sunflower oil, canola oil, Soybean oil, Palm oil".

I just trusted his advice and looked into a bit and then decided it was a good idea to try to ditch foods with those seed oils.

After a few times of watching his channel it soon hit me almost all typical 'junk' foods had those annoying seed oils that Bobby mentioned.

So now it's automatic for me, whenever I shop, I flip over to the food label side and read.

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[–]Vogue2182 0 points1 point2 points 16 days ago (0 children)

Dr. Cate Shanahan's books.

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[–]No-Lavishness2632 0 points1 point2 points 13 days ago (0 children)

My LDL cholesterol level went up to the ‘if it goes any higher, we’re putting you on statins” level. Working with a nutritionist, I learned that the liver produces more LDL when it is stressed and that the most common reason for stressed liver= too many Omega 6s. A quick Google inquiry told me that, by far, the most concentrated source of Omega 6s is seed oils. I went to a 100% No Seed Oils diet. My LDL cholesterol dropped 60 points in 3 months. I’m not on statins, my blood pressure runs below normal now and I’ve been a crusader for the Stop Eating Seed Oils cause ever since.

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[–]Tec80 0 points1 point2 points 26 days ago (5 children)

Nearly everything is designed to make us sick. It's so ubiquitous that it falls into that category. HFCS (AKA diabeetus juice) is another one.

I stopped using toothpaste because it's a scam and is harmful. Neurotoxin and sweetener right before bed? No thanks.

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[–]Tabs_97 1 point2 points3 points 26 days ago (4 children)

Do you just brush with water or what? Toothpaste ingredients are so alarming 😳

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[–]Tec80 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (3 children)

Hot water. Dentist says my teeth look great every cleaning visit.

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[–]Tabs_97 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (2 children)

That’s awesome! I have a toddler and I’m so scared to give her teeth problems but I’ve been trying to find better alternatives 😩

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[–]Tec80 1 point2 points3 points 25 days ago (1 child)

Fluoride is banned in many countries because it was proven to cause developmental issues in children. Protect your little one at all costs.

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[–]Tabs_97 0 points1 point2 points 25 days ago (0 children)

We don’t use fluoride, but I would love to still find a better toothpaste that had less crap ingredients! I’m trying out Just Ingredients tooth powder though, so I’m hoping i like it!

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] -1 points0 points1 point 25 days ago (6 children)

I appreciate all of your responses. While there are some nuggets of truth (seed oils cooked at extremely high heats = not great). I can come to no other conclusion than most of you are delusional following influencers rather than controlled randomized studies.

Stay away from processed and ultra processed foods, and you can cook with all the canola oil you want.

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[–]inventingme 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (5 children)

Conduct an experiment on yourself! I do that all the time, about a great many things.

Example: I've always used very good skin care products. I became aware of some of the ingredients, and heard someone raving about tallow-based face cream. I ordered some, tried it, and the "natural" redness in my face went away almost completely. Conclusion, it works great for me.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (4 children)

Why should I stop cooking with canola oil? My grandma is 90 and has cooked with canola oil for the last 50 years.

As far as testing it, I cook with olive oil and canola oil, and I don't feel a difference between the two

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[–]inventingme 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (3 children)

Well, you should do exactly as you wish. If you don't have problems to solve, then it makes sense you aren't looking for solutions. That's cool. Actually, it's excellent. Same for your grandma.

Many people are looking for solutions. The seed oil piece is part or all of their solution.

You're actually hitting on an important point. Every body is different. Magnesium may be an amazingly useful supplement for me. You may hear my story, see we share some symptoms, and try it. And find it doesn't do a thing for you. Because it wasnt your deficiency. We all have to find our own answers. If you try my answer, you have to be alert to the fact that it might not be right for you.

Best of luck! May you always find the answers you seek!

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 24 days ago (2 children)

What is the point of this subreddit then? You are saying seed oils are not bad

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[–]inventingme 1 point2 points3 points 24 days ago (1 child)

Not at all. I know they're bad. I'm saying your filters are apparently handling them adequately at the moment, and not creating a malfunction in your physical apparatus right now. You may have a time in which there is a strain on your body, and seed oils become a problem for you. Maybe you are exposed to a solvent at work and absorb a bit of it, and now your filtering organs are too busy to handle seed oils. Maybe your orange juice has a bit more pesticide than normal. Maybe you have the flu. Whenever our bodies are stressed, they may be more vulnerable. When we're young, we can handle a little poison here, maybe pesticide residue, a little seed oils there. Later, when you're older and not as resilient, the same stimulus would get a different response. Maybe T2 diabetes or non-alcobolic fatty liver. Maybe something else.
The question is not whether the oils are poison. The question is how much stress is your body under and how are you getting along with the poison youre ingesting.

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[–]SlipperySparky[S] 0 points1 point2 points 23 days ago (0 children)

Lol. I appreciate this more honest response. However, none of these responses are moving the discussion away from pseudoscience and anecdotes.

Again, my 90 grandma is extremely healthy. She swims 1/2 mile every day in the summer. She rarely gets sick. From what you are saying, this shouldn't be the case. Every modern dietician would disagree with this sub. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If this sub legitimate, there would also be legitimate medical evidence. There isn't.

Are seed oils a bastion of health? No. But any impact they have is so minor, it is missing the forest for the trees.

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