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Will child abuse finally be addressed under socialism? Our current cappie system does very little.Discussion (self.socialism)

submitted 2 years ago by Flashmemory256

I'm an abuse "survivor" I guess, and I won't go into detail but it was mostly verbal and emotional with the occasional physical and I've had marks on my body from it, and I clearly remember in grade 11 I showed a teacher and the police were called and everyone in my family had to come into the station and speak 1 on 1 to a detective about what happened. The detective told me straight to my face he believed everything I told him, and that he could see the person causing the abuse was manipulative and I did say I wanted something done... absolutely nothing was done and nobody ever helped me get out in the end. My older sister has also suffered similar abuse from the same person living in the home, and we had both reported it or spoke about it multiple times as kids with nothing being done except the abuser manipulating us into thinking we were the evil ones making up disgusting lies about her. Our current capitalist society does not factor in these cases as its not profitable to help abused children, women (and men), so we are usually left on our own. As a result, I am rather sick in the head, and unstable and have extreme bursts of rage and suppressed trauma. I've talked a lot more about my suicidal thoughts on another post here a few days ago, but basically my childhood has screwed me up and I know everyone will suggest therapy, but I can't. It's never helped me and I hate going through the process of telling someone face to face about what I've gone through.

Back to the point of this post. In a socialist society, can we make sure that abused children are rehomed and none of this "family intervention" bullshit that lots of CPS agencies love, that keeps the child in the home to keep getting abused while nothing happens. Can we make sure child (and abusers in general) do end up in gulogs to work off the pain they've caused? Our current system is absolutely worthless at helping those who need it most. I hope under socialism, we can actually address this problem once and for all.

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[–]YJTheR3BELBlack Panthers Party (BPP) 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children)

i believe more money and care will be invested into the system which i hope can help the people who have had to suffer

also i hope you’re doing well much love

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[–]veinssSpace Communism -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Personally I think the problem are families and my solution would have been to abolish families, end the notion of parents owning children, and basically just raise the next generations collectively. The modern school system is already halfway there. This used to be a normal common position among socialists until like a hundred years ago, but somehow it just went away. And now the biggest socialist superpower (China) is an extremely traditionalist pro family pro marriage neoconfuscian mess... so I think no, it won't be adressed anytime soon. If you fail at the lottery getting the cool parents with enough money that planned you then you're shit out of luck, you might be re-homed... but it will always be a coin toss whether the new home is actually better. You could easily go from bad to worse.

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[–]wraithkennyMarxism 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children)

“Abolish the family” is about the bourgeois perversion of the family into a vehicle for wealth accumulation and wage generation, and how parents seem to own children, and abolishing it means ending that weirdness. And yeah, its end is more about the collective raising children as a society, which does mean public education, neighbor involvement, community programs, and a collective sense of responsibility. Bad parents would be less of a problem because they’d be less important in the first place, and abused children can be saved from them since there’s no appeal to “ownership” like under capitalism.

So yeah, basically, you’re correct. This has a long history in socialist traditions.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children)

There's a lot to this and I want to be sensitive with this topic. We can talk about the the issues that revolve around agism and how it's tied with capitalism. Or how a lot of issues with violence is around a lack of community and financial stress. But I don't think that socialism will solve all these issues. Not entirely.

A lot of neo marxist saw a gap in marxist thought and responded with how socialism has to be tied with liberation from other's oppression. Anarchists have acknowledged child oppression early since Joseph Dejacques and only kept building on that, especially with child liberation, family abolition, and deschooling theories. Democratic socialist have theories on how to approach a new society with a socialist framework and that includes schooling, family care, healthcare, and mental health.

I do not believe abuse will vanish but it will be treated completely different and hopefully for the better. I do think it will drop and I want to believe abuse is tied to agism which is tied to patriarchy which is tied to capitalism etc. I hope that shift can shift how we treat people, especially children.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children)

This is my first time in this space so please be patient with me.

May I assume that the OP is in the USA?

Can I tell you the voyage of my country?

I am in a very small EU country. Before 1972 sodomy was a depraved illegal act. The laws spoke of 'sodomy' but that included any homosexual activity with anyone of any age.

Then in 1971 a social democrat prime minister who had several axes to grind with the Roman Catholic church was elected to power. Within months;

Homosexuality stopped being illegal. Cases in court were thrown out!

Free universal education from 4 to 16 became compulsory

Emphasis was placed on what the country needed. Theology was removed from our university and instead we started producing teachers, doctors, engineers lawyers, bankers, scientists from all fields.

Evevtually the Socialists lost to the Christian Democrats. They introduced harsher laws against porn,even written 'porn'. It all came to a head when a prize winning European writer published a short story in a student magazine. He was immediately arrested. How dare he write that men and women were having sex before marriage and that some of them were not waiting till 18 - which was the age of consent. He was dragged to court among nation wide protests. The Chrirstian Democrats where kicked out. A young Socialist prime minister immediately legalised gat marriage, gay adoption etc.

The Socialists took the shame away from being born gay and we started having gay prides.

Several MP and MEPs came out as gay or lesbian.

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